Ik bedoelde het als een vraagstelling dus misschien verkeerd verwoord, ik vroeg mij af of je dat suggereerde.
Nu is de maruko opeens ook een ranchu.....
De maruko heet niet voor niets maruko. Deze naam is gegeven om te kunnen onderscheiden.
Dat de naam ranchu vroeger
misschien synoniem was aan de Maruko is al meer dan 100 jaar niet meer het geval.
De dingen jij noemt maken het onnodig over gecompliceerd.
Ik snap nu waar je naar toe wilt ZSjonnie, maar het is niet logisch, want je praat orthodox maar over 1 segment uit een bepaald boek.
Omdat het punt waar je naar refereert mij bekend is, zal ik dan ook wat er letterlijk voor het segment staat in datzelfde boek even vermelden:
Ranchu is a term which in Japanese usage has been applicable to goldfish
lacking a dorsal fin; with the great proliferation of variants in the Lionhead lineage the term
has been applied specifically to part of the lineage.
Hier word duidelijk aangegeven dat de term ranchu gebruikt word voor een specifiek deel van rugvin loze vissen uit de lijn van de Chinese lionhead, dus de ranchu.
Nu ik toch bezig ben zal ik wat meer citeren uit hetzelfde boek:
Lionhead is a literal translation of the Japanese ‘Shishigashira’ and seems to be well entrenched
in spite of Innes’ own expressed reservations about the suitability of this name.
He believed that the name ‘Buffalo-head’ would be much more descriptive and appropriate.
Similar reservations were felt in Great Britain where the GSGB proposed the name ‘Bramble
head’; certainly there is a close resemblance of the bramble fruit to the hood of this fish, closer
in fact than to the manes of either lion or buffalo. Perversely perhaps the name Lionhead sticks
except insofar as in recent times it has a rival in the name ‘Ranchu’, especially as regards
Japanese fish.
There are some interesting remarks on the Lionhead, which has a multiplicity of names,
and Smith has suggested adoption of the name ‘Ranchu’ for the Japanese Lionhead. The illustration
depicts a fish which would be regarded at the present time as a Ranchu with the highly
characteristic strongly curved back and the horizontal carriage and characteristic shape of the
caudals. This distinguishes the Japanese from the Chinese Lionheads as portrayed by Innes
in Goldfi sh Varieties.
Varieties lackin a dorsal fin which he considered are the Celestial, the Bubble-eye, Eggfish and Ranchu.
Let op het onderstreepte hierboven, hier word de eggfish(maruko) apart benoemd van de ranchu.
The treatment of the other dorsal-less groups is very modern, being
considered as either Eggfish or Ranchu. The fundamental difference between them is the form
of the skull, which in the Eggfish is narrow and pointed while in the Ranchu it is broad and
blunt. The Ranchu group is generally, but not invariably, characterised by the development
of the typical hood. The extent of this development varies, in some Ranchu types such as the
Maruko it is negligible, in others it may be confined to the cranium area, and in yet others it
may cover almost the entire head, the cranium, around the eyes and on the gill-plates
Let op het hierboven onderstreepte.
Under this umbrella designation Matsui includes three major groupings of fish whose common
characteristics are the short, broad and rounded body, and the absence of the dorsal
fin with the other fins being short. The characters which separate the three groups basically
are whether the skull is narrow and pointed (Nankin or Eggfish) without any head growth,
whether the skull is broad and blunt, lacking head growth (Maruko or Osaka Ranchu), or
whether in addition to the broad and blunt skull there is head growth or hood development
(Ranchu proper). The nature of the head growth can be used to differentiate three forms of
Ranchu, namely:
(a) The ‘Shishigashira’ (lionhead) in which development of the hood covers almost the
whole head divided into three regions, cranial, infraorbital and opercular.
(b) The ‘Tokin’ (capped or hooded) in which only the cranial portion is developed.
(c) The ‘Okame’ (swollen cheeked) in which only development of the infraorbital and
opercular areas occurs.
At the present time most lionheads are of the first type but the capped form ‘goosehead’ is to
be seen occasionally while the ‘Okame’ does not at present find very much favour.
Hier kun je zien dat er nog steeds over een ranchu gesproken word, ook wanneer de kopvorm als shishigashira word geconformeerd, dus geen chinese lionhead.
The situation in the Lionhead is even more complicated. There are three heads under
which Lionheads are considered, the Redcap with the characteristic Tancho red head ideally
confined to the goosehead hood, the Lionhead group proper and Chinese Lionheads.
The Lionhead group comprises five sub-groups: Ranchu, Osaka Ranchu, Nankin Ranchu,
Lionhead and Edo Nishiki. The curious feature about this assemblage is that only the Ranchu
(Japanese) and Lionhead (Chinese) groups develop substantial hoods. The Edo Nishiki is the
result of an attempt to produce a calico Lionhead but hood growth is generally rather poor.
The Osaka Ranchu had a very characteristic globular body, a web-tail and broad head; at one
time it was quite popular but is rarely seen if ever at the present time. No hood develops in
this type nor in the Nankin which is also known as the Eggfish; it has a narrow pointed head
unlike the true Lionheads, and the colour is frequently silver with red fins and mouth.
Orme makes the distinction between Ranchu and Western Lionheads on the basis of the
different body forms. The Ranchu is characterised by very strongly curved dorsal and ventral
profi les, the caudal peduncle has a slight downward curve in spite of which the caudals are
carried in a more or less horizontal plane. There may be a slight asymmetry between dorsal
and ventral lobes of the caudals with the length of the dorsal lobes being greater. In contrast,
the Western style Lionhead has much less extreme curvature of dorsal and ventral contours
than the Ranchu but notwithstanding this a relatively short and chunky body. As in the Ranchu,
the fi ns are relatively small, the caudals have symmetrical dorsal and ventral lobes and
are held horizontally in the same plane as the body axis. Chinese Lionheads, according to
Orme, have well-developed hoods but are longer in body and fi ns than the Ranchu and the
Western style Lionhead (generally they are closer to the latter than the former).
Relationships between Maruko, Nankin, Osaka Ranchu and Lionhead are not straightforward
but there is a sensible consensus that different lines selected from the Maruko produced
the Nankin (hoodless like the Maruko) and the Osaka Ranchu (with little or no hood development).
It is interesting to note that the Lionheads depicted and discussed are of the Chinese
rather than the Japanese Ranchu style.
Ik vind dat willen we deze discussie effectief verder voeren, er vanaf nu niet meer afgegaan moet worden van wat de andere zegt, maar gelieve ook met bronnen te komen zodat er met zekerheid over feiten gepraat word.
Bron: Goldfish varieties and genetics : Joseph Smartt